No Cover Versions!

[Ears]

I find the attacks based on spelling and age offensive. Please keep in mind that not everyone on this Forum (and on MacIdol) has English as a first language. And so what if there are spelling errors? The diversity of languages, cultures, and perspectives is what is yielding such an interesting mix of genres and GB compositions.

[RicP]

I find the attacks based on spelling and age offensive.

Then don't read them.

Please keep in mind that not everyone on this Forum (and on MacIdol) has English as a first language.

True, however this is certainly not the case with Frequ, so your point, while valid, is not applicable in this case.

And so what if there are spelling errors?

For better or worse this forum's method of communication is WRITTEN. Not spoken, not hand gestures, not smoke signals, TEXT. If you care so little about the appearance that you give off when you grossly misspell words (I'm talking about native literate English speaking people here) then you should not be surprised when someone discounts what you have to say. If you went to a presentation and the keynote speaker mumbled over his words, mispronounced things, and used very poor grammar, would you not have a lowered opinion of whatever that speaker had to say?

The same thing applies here. Of course no one is FORCING anybody to use correct spelling and proper grammar, but to not do so carries certain connotations along with it. What's even more humorous is that you are using a computer to type this! Computers that have things like spell-checkers and where all the rules of the English language are one mouse click away. There is no excuse for poor spelling and grammar (again, amongst native English speakers) except ignorance or apathy.

And because someone will say it, I am speaking of instances of repeated and chronic poor spelling and/or grammar, not the isolated typographical error that may skip by a spell-checker.

[RicP]

-there is more than one 12 note tempered scale that is commonly use in western music.

Of course there is, but there isn't a scale in music that uses notes other than these:


C C#/Db D D#/Eb E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B

Count 'em... 12.

It doesn't matter how many notes are in a scale. It only matters that there are only 12 of them total. You incorrectly assumed that I was referring to the Chromatic Scale only. I was not.

[John Coffee]

"Non-Western scales
In traditional Western music, scale degrees are separated by tones or semitones. However, many other musical traditions employ scales that include other intervals. The music of India demonstrates some excellent examples, as some ragas employ scale intervals smaller than a semitone. See gamelan also.

Microtonal scales
The term microtonal music usually refers to music with roots in traditional Western music that employs non-standard scales or scale intervals. The composer Harry Partch made custom musical instruments to play compositions that employed a 43-note scale system, and the American jazz vibraphonist Emil Richards experimented with such scales in his 'Microtonal Blues Band' in the 1970s. "

-quoted from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)#Non-Western_scales

[Fortyteen]

...Mirriam Webster OnLine

She's sounds hot!!! I'm gunna look her up!

[Fortyteen]

bugger!! She says i sounded really nice too but she's got this thing going with some bloke called Roget.


just my luck!

[Frequ]

Even the piano we all know and love has compromised tuning. Scientifically, a C# is NOT the same as a Db. A good musical ear should be able to distinguish the difference. When you take a frequency and find the perfect 5th, and then find the fifth of that note, until you have completed the whole scale, the wavelengths of the octaves do not line up in equal halves or doubles (A fuzzy scientific/musical problem! ) making them dissonant. So it was agreed to offset each pitch, making each one slightly out of tune (but still keeping the nodes lined up as much as possible), approximating the semitone to a 5.94% change in pitch. This equal tempered scale was developed in the 1600s to iron out this wrinkle in musical science.

I am very interested in composing with the scientific scale (the name escapes me). And the other day I was playing with a scale based on the Fibonacci sequence. Has anyone done any work with this? I am also looking to study the subtleties of rhythm, and its effects on the human body (dance). Possibly composing pieces to get a very specific response from the listener.

So there is a 12-note scale, but there are many others (less popular of course)
And what about compositions that are not pitch based? Maybe pure rhythm? At that point I think timbre becomes the scale (or mode of modifying sounds), and that is nearly infinite. The science of sound and music was not something invented, but discovered.

RicP, I listened to your music, I think you have a nice voice. Your vocal recordings seem very smooth and pure. When I record my voice it seems to come out too raspy. Do you have any techniques or use any special equipment?
-Frequ

[Fortyteen]

Frequ!! Dude!!!!! Thanks for the science. That sorta thing really intrigues me.

And good question. I've been wondering that sorta thing too.

[kilroydegeek]

Even the piano we all know and love has compromised tuning.<snip>

For guitar, nothing beats a well trained ear tuning which is probably an example of this in action.

I am also looking to study the subtleties of rhythm, and its effects on the human body (dance). Possibly composing pieces to get a very specific response from the listener.

I've always been passingly interested in psycho-acoustics, it's an area which seems to prove we're as much predetermined as products of free will. Look at how a tune we like will get even the most musically inept tapping a toe without even realising it.

[kilroydegeek]

:( bugger!! She says i sounded really nice too but she's got this thing going with some bloke called Roget.

There was lady from nearby Cape Cod
who thought babies were fashioned by God
but it wasn't the almighty
who slipped up her nighty
it was Rogets the Saurus, the sod

[Russ]

Sorry to see cover tunes are no longer allowed to be posted. I will remove mine today. I don't understand why they are not allowed to be posted since we are not making any money from them being on here, but I will leave that arguement for the lawyer types in the world.

As far as cover songs not being creative, I would somewhat disagree.
Although the creation of the song has been done, the re-creation takes some imagination and thought. Of course a person would also have to have an "ear" for re-creating a song to try to duplicate the same sound someone has taken a long time to think about and produce originally.
That's just my humble opinion. I've always liked the saying that imitation is the best form of flattery.

Regardless, keep rockin' and keep the tunes posting. I really enjoy hearing other original music and having mine heard is also a BIG motivator to push my limits for new songs.
Thanks for letting me say my stuff.

Russ.....

[ifingers]

Sorry to see cover tunes are no longer allowed to be posted. I will remove mine today. I don't understand why they are not allowed to be posted since we are not making any money from them being on here, but I will leave that arguement for the lawyer types in the world.

Regardless, keep rockin' and keep the tunes posting. I really enjoy hearing other original music and having mine heard is also a BIG motivator to push my limits for new songs.
Thanks for letting me say my stuff.

Russ.....

I agree with you - it doesn't make sense to me too... but I don't want to break the law.
So rewinding back to the start of this thread... I have given everyone the opportunity to find a legal way for us to continue hosting covers - but alas we haven't found a way round this. So I would like you to please remove any cover versions from this server as soon as you can. - Thanks!

I have no objection to you including a link on your band page for any covers that you can legally host somewhere else, these songs can not be included in the macidol charts etc, but at least you can use your band pages as a doorway to them.

Thank you

Rich

peace

[The Cellar]

Good to see fingers bringing this thread this back to its original point after some interesting but fairly irrelevant digressions into the philosophy of artistic validity, the science of tonality and good old-fashioned personal insults.

I agree that the removal of cover versions is a great pity since most of them were excellent, and provided a balance to the original material, a lot of which isn't.

I know the MCPS/PRS seem the bad guys in all this, but in their defence, their job is to protect the interests of all composers and musicians within the ambit of English copyright law. After all, if one of us wrote a great original song and then heard copies of it being played on the radio without receiving any benefit, we might be fairly annoyed. And nowadays, music sites on the Internet are almost like radio stations.

Just a thought, but in view of fingers' excellent work in promoting GarageBand for them, perhaps Apple would like to fund the licence fee? Oh well, dream on...............

Despite this setback, Rich, please keep the faith and carry on your great work with this excellent site.

Best wishes,

The Cellar

P.S. Just noticed that most of the covers have disappeared from the site, but to be consistent, shouldn't Ric Perrott's self-admitted cover of "Will It Go etc.' and Brian Brumfield's 'White Wedding' also be removed? Makes me realise that Rich might have a bit of a job policing this aspect of the site in the future.